Sutton Cycle Forum September 2017

SuttonCycleForumSeptember2017_IMG_6493_v21: Overview

The fourth Sutton Cycle Forum of 2017 (and the eighth since the borough’s Cycling Strategy was approved in November 2015, and subsequently published in February 2016) took place on 26 September 2017 at the offices of Sutton Council, Denmark Road.

Notes on the previous forum meeting, held on 27 July 2017, are available in Sutton Cycle Forum July 2017. (A special Cycle Forum, at which Sustrans provided an update on Sutton’s proposed first Quietway, had also been held on 24 August).


Highlights of the September 2017 meeting…

Top of the ‘highlights” list was the confirmation (again) that TfL would not fund the proposals for the Colliers Wood to Sutton Quietway (at least for the section in Sutton) if traffic was not reduced to acceptable levels.

Meanwhile, 20mph schemes in Worcester Park, Cheam and Sutton South are being consulted on and are receiving (or look like they will receive) approval. (Although, 20mph in the areas around Stanley Park High School appears to have stalled).

A draft version of a traffic counts document, compiled by Sutton Council officers, had been provided ahead of the meeting.

.. and some of the lowlights of the meeting

Nothing has really been delivered, or moved forward, since the July 2017 Cycle Forum. Essentially, the reports on schemes are “No progress” or “No time”. Of course, the July meeting was only two months ago, and the summer holidays have largely occupied the interim, so perhaps this is not so surprising. Or could it be that the lack of progress is because the council officers are trying that much harder to deliver something better?

Disappointingly, there was:

…..(noting that all three of these areas had been requested in the AOB to the July 2017 Cycle Forum). Continuing, there was….

Although the Felnex redevelopment site in Hackbridge was briefly discussed, an action on this from the April 2017 Cycle Forum remains outstanding. Another outstanding action from the April 2017 that had not been progressed related to monitoring usage, and residents acceptance, of the conversion of the footway on Green Wrythe Lane (northern section Middleton Circle and Bishopsford Road) to shared use.

Regarding the Sutton to Colliers Wood Quietway, there had been the expectation that the responses to the Highways Quietway Survey held during the summer this year would have be made available by the end of September (i.e. about now). At least, that was what we had been told at the special Cycle Forum with Sustrans to discuss the Quietway last month. That is not what has happened, and an overview of the responses has still not been made public. However, council officers and Sustrans are to meet with councillors to discuss the survey responses on 12 October 2017. There is then likely to be a further formal consultation in January 2018, although this is dependent on the councillors being happy with the proposals put forward to them in October. The designs for the busy Benhill Wood Road and Grennell Road sections of the Quietway, where there are currently up to 500 vehicles per hour in the morning peak, will need to include proposals that will reduce the volume of traffic. Otherwise TfL will not provide the funding.

The borough’s other proposed Quietway, Sutton to Worcester Park (that had been described at the July Cycle Forum as progressing well and for which a Quietway Definition Plan (QDP) was under development), was not mentioned on this occasion.

With so many of the schemes that were scheduled for delivery between April 2016 and March 2017 still outstanding (Section 3), and with not a great deal to report on progress on this year’s schemes (section 4), there is the definite impression that officers are struggling with the workload.

So that is the Forum in summary. To tempt you to read on, here is a quick quiz question:

What can £100,000 deliver in terms of cycle facilities? (Clue: it’s a 2017/18 LIP funded scheme in Worcester Park ward).


Attendees: Lynn Robinson, Leigh Gravenor (Chair), Hitesh Wadher (Kingston and Sutton Shared Services, with responsibility for two Local Committee areas (Sutton; St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley)), plus cycling group representatives John Kinnear, Charles Martin, Colin Quemby and Shirley Quemby. We were joined later on by Dave True (Lead Officer, Pollution Control (and air quality projects), shared service Sutton and Kingston) to discuss Mayor of London’s air quality funding, and by Ian Baker (Team Leader for Sustainable Transport (shared service Sutton and Kingston), and Parking (Kingston) – although no discussion on parking on this occasion. Apologies had been received from Cllr. Manual Abellan (Liberal Democrat, Beddington South, Vice-chair Environment and Neighbourhood Committee) and Chris Rutland (cycling group rep).

Agenda for 26 September 2017 Cycle Forum

The following agenda had been received on 20 September (with an incorrect date for the meeting given as 26 October 2017):

  1. Minutes of meeting held on 7 July 2017 (should have read 27 July)
  2. Schemes update – Neighbourhood Engineers
  3. Discussion of Mayor’s Air Quality funding
  4. Date of next meeting
  5. Any Other Business

Along with the agenda (which it has to be said was not particularly inspiring, and lacked the detail of the final agenda provided for the July 2017 meeting), a report entitled ‘Transportation Anaylsis‘ (LBS, draft only) was received. (An action of the July 2017 meeting had been for ‘PG to provide cycle counts before next meeting’, so the sharing of this report effectively completed that action point). The document provided details of transport usage, with figures from the DfT (manual traffic accounts and trends), TfL (cycle flows on the TfL network), LBS Commissioned Surveys (with some distinct anomalies in this particular section. For example, counts for all types of vehicle at location ‘L30’ Central Road are at complete variance between 2016 and 2017 – clearly an error in reporting in 2017 (so far)). This report was not discussed at the meeting. It would have been useful to have had a presentation, given by the author(s), on this report at the meeting. The intention is for this draft document, or preferably the final document, will be made available from our Publications page once permission has been received to do so. A report detailing some of the early findings from the traffic counts that we have carried out during 2017 was presented at our AGM two days after Cycle Forum had taken place. See AGM report 2017.  

The ‘Schemes Update’ document was not provided prior to the meeting, but instead handed out at the meeting. The forum did not refer to this document during the meeting, but went through the minutes of the July 2017 meeting making sure the actions from that meeting were picked up on. In many ways, this methodology worked better.

A full agenda item on Sutton’s first Quietway would have been expected, as we had been told at the special Sustrans’ August Cycle Forum that we could expect a summary of the responses to the Quietways Highways Survey by the end of September (i.e. about now).

The discussion regarding the Mayor’s Air Quality funding (item 3 on the agenda) lasted for about forty-five minutes (so, taking up quite a large proportion of the two-hour overall meeting duration). Although an interesting topic, and good to have been brought to attention of the forum, there was a feeling that decisions on how to spend the allocated £35,000 for Sutton in the current financial year had already been made (perhaps a good thing, considering that the financial year was already half way through).

Opening remarks

It was noted that a replacement had yet been found for Yinka Danityan, former Senior Professional Engineer with responsibilities for Beddington and Wallington, Carshalton and Clockhouse (who had left LBS, as reported at the July Forum).  Ian Price (Team Leader, Strategy and Commissioning, LBS) is trying to cover the area, but apparently this is difficult because he has enough work as it is. One of the outstanding actions for Yinak, as reported in the April 2017 Cycle Forum, and again mentioned below (in Section 3: schemes update 2016-2017), was to “update and give feedback to committee” on the ‘TfL report summary’. It is a pity that this has not been followed through.

At the April 2017 meeting (AoB), regarding the General Enquiry form and how attempting to use it to report cycling-related issues was a frustrating experience, an action had been for Leigh and Cllr. Abellan to continue to look at how the website can be improved in this regard. Leigh advised that he has arranged a meeting with the maintenance team but this had not yet taken place. When it has, he will feedback – either at the next meeting or before.

The sections that follow in this report provide further detail of the proceedings the Cycle Forum (noting that the numbering is not the same as that provided in the agenda).


2: Review of the minutes of meeting held on 27 July 2017

CM noted that at the some of the actions that had discussed at the April 2017 meeting had not been reported on at the July 2017 meeting. LG said he had subsequently received CM’s additions on this and that these were reported on the first page of the 27 July minutes (item 2 Minutes 4 April 2017).

One item of particular importance that had been missed off the July 2017 minutes, was with reference to Green Wrythe Lane. At the 4 April 2017 meeting there had been an action for Hitesh to consider monitoring the latest section of the scheme (Middleton Circle to Bishopsford Road) to see how well used. This had not been reported on in July. We would like to know how many people are using the shared footway on Green Wrythe Lane, and what people who use it, or live on the street, think about it. Are residents cycling more as a result? What is the situation regarding parking? Something that surely TfL (the principle funders) would be interested to know too. Action: HW to follow-up on considering monitoring Green Wrythe Lane, and provide a report.

The minutes to the 4 April 2017 meeting were otherwise agreed, with the following amendments (given here as presented in the official 27 July 2017 minutes, Item 2 ‘Minutes 4 April 2017’ with any additional comments in brackets []):

  • 3.5 CM disappointed by speed cushions being installed on Westmead Road. Not considered good design for cyclists. Can LBS explain why cushions were installed at this location? Action HW to provide info on why speed cushion were installed on Westmead Road. Response: “The design of the mini roundabout did not allow sufficient entry deflection to slow traffic down. Speed cushions were introduced on Westmead Road on the approach to the roundabout to slow down the traffic”. [Not convinced about this!]
  • 3.6 CM why was the decision taken to make the pavement [Green Wrythe Lane] shared rather than create a separate cycle lane? Action HW to provide info on why a shared pavement was chosen as part of the design for Green Wrythe Lane. Response: “The shared cyc/ped path along Green Wrythe Lane was a continuation of the previous year’s scheme. It was aimed at encouraging less confident riders and younger school children to ride”.
  • 3.11 CM first mentioned St. Anthonys cycle parking [the need for] in March 2016
  • 4.5 LCC pleased the link between Boscombe Road and the cycle way [Worcester Park to North Cheam] has been upgraded
  • 4.7 CM stated that repainted lines [Middleton Road] were not enough. Separated lanes are the preferred option on Middleton Circle [The fact that this statement, in particular, had been omitted from the April 2017 Cycle Forum minutes was disappointing]
  • AOB – JK felt the ‘report it’ function on the LBS website was not good enough. JK tested it and felt it wasn’t tailored to cycle specific issues and the 10 day response time was not met. Action: LG and CllrA to continue to look into how website can be improved to make ‘report it’ function better. [Leigh advised that he has arranged a meeting with the maintenance team but this had not yet taken place. When it has, he will feedback – either at the next meeting or before. Action: Leigh to report back on meeting with website maintenance team].

3: Schemes Updates 2016-2017

A Schemes Update document (incorrectly dated 26 October 2017, instead of 26 September 2017) was handed out at the Forum meeting. The ‘Status’, ‘Update’, ‘Committee Area’ and ‘Lead Engineer’ details reported in this section have been taken from the Schemes Update document.

‘Minutes’, ‘Action’ and ‘Response’ details in this section have been taken from the minutes to the 27 July Cycle Forum, received on 20 September 2017, and from the minutes of the 26 September Cycle Forum, received on 26 October 2017. Therefore, the text under these headings is not our own [unless in square brackets].

‘Description’ and ‘Funding’ have been carried forward from the information provided in the July Forum meeting (if appropriate).

‘Comments’ are our notes.

Any supplementary information is provided in square brackets [].

All original schemes for the year April 2016 to March 2017 had been presented to local committees during the spring/summer of 2015, and to the Environment and Neighbourhood Committee on 17 September 2015 (see report ‘Local Implementation Plan Funding 2016/2017 Transport Submission’ (dated 17 September 2015), Appendix A ‘Summary of Schemes for funding in 2016/17 and Reserve List’, and Appendix B ‘MTS Goals and Outcomes, Borough’s transport objectives’). Only those schemes that are ongoing, or have not previously been reported as completed, are included here.


Royal Marsden / ICR / Sutton Hospital site (Belmont) – formerly Brighton Road / Cotswold Road

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Now carried forward to a 2017-2018 scheme. See ‘4: Schemes Updates 2017-2018’ below.


Mill Lane / Butter Hill Junction (Carshalton Central)

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Description: Improving crossing facilities. To improve safety of pedestrians crossing Mill Lane.

Funding 2016/17: £25,000

Local Committee: Carshalton and Clockhouse

Lead Engineer: IP

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): The cyclists will be consulted on plans. Two possible options to consider.

  • Note how the September 2017 update compares with previous updates:
    • January 2017 “Design stage”;
    • April 2017: “Designs being worked on presently”;
    • July 2017: “The cyclists will be consulted on plans. Two possible options to consider”.

Minutes (July 2017): CM highlighted the fact there is significant traffic to deal with. CM has done traffic counts in this area and the road has almost 700 vehicles an hour in rush hour. RF said LBS have been doing counts and will take account of traffic numbers in designs.

Action (July 2017): None.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): None.

Action (September 2017): None.

Response (September 2017): None.

Comment: Also see Projects Update January 2017.


All Saints / High Street (Sutton North)

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Description: Pedestrian Facilities. (Study being carried out in 2015/16.) To reduce pedestrian casualties. To provide a safe route to All Saints School, Benhilton.

Funding 2016/17: £100,000

Local Committee: Sutton

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Scheme has had to be postponed due to coordination with TfL. Don’t have date for works yet. Waiting for TfL. (This is the same update as provided on 25 July 2017)

Minutes (July 2017): SQ requested a wheel gully be introduced on the footbridge to help people push over. LR stated that cycling was not allowed on the bridge due to parapets being too low. This is why a gully hadn’t been introduced before.

Action (July 2017): None.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): None.

Action (September 2017): None.

Response (September 2017): None.

Comment (April 2017): This is not a cycling scheme. Original proposal included use of a shared path, and we had objected to this. A staggered pedestrian crossing is to be implemented (we had asked for a straight-across pedestrian crossing), initially intended to commence mid to end of May 2017.  The coordination with TfL relates to work programmed on the A217 Sutton bypass to replace lighting columns, and the avoidance of simultaneous carriageway restrictions on the A217 and Sutton High Street.


Lower Road / Benhill Road (Sutton Central)

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Description: Speed tables and improved pedestrian crossing facilities. To improve crossing facilities for pedestrians.

Funding 2016/17: £35,000

Local Committee: Sutton

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing [Actually, this scheme has been completed]

Update (26 September 2017): A roundabout scheme. Due for completion end of July. (Same update as provided in July).

Minutes (July 2017): CQ/SQ said they had not received the consultation. They also pointed out parking outside the Scout Hut was blocking views and was a hazard. HW said a stage 3 safety audit will be done and if there is an issue with parking this should be picked up.

Action (July 2017): HW to check where the consultations are sent. HW to feedback results of Stage 3 safety Audit.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): None.

Action (September 2017): [SQ/CQ advised consultation details had been received]. HW to feedback results of Stage 3 safety Audit.

Response (September 2017): None.



Stafford Road / Woodcote Road (Wallington South)

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Description: Safety Scheme Investigation. To reduce pedestrian casualties.

Funding 2016/17: £20,000

Local Committee: Beddington and Wallington

Lead Engineer: IP

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Safety scheme being investigated. This scheme at the Stafford Road junction is still in the feasibility stage and therefore has not yet been designed. Three possible options. WSP modelling the junction and lights near junction. Liaising with TfL. Consultation to follow modelling. (Same as July 2017 update).

Minutes (July 2017): Group requested this scheme be designed in conjunction with N/S route parallel to Woodcote Road. LBS to share designs with group.

CM said there was an issue of enforcement of the loading bay near this junction. Is the traffic order done and is it being enforced?

Action (July 2017): LG to speak to Ian Price about scheme and how it can be linked into N/S route.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Group requested this scheme be designed in conjunction with N/S route parallel to Woodcote Road. LBS to share designs with group.

CM said there was an issue of enforcement of the loading bay near this junction. Is the traffic order done and is it being enforced?

Action (September 2017)LG to speak to Ian Price about scheme and how it can be linked into N/S route. LG to check whether traffic order done and being enforced.

Response (September 2017): None.


Felnex site, Hackbridge (Wandle Valley)

Description: ?

Funding 2016/17: ?

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: Don (?)

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Major junction being created as part of development. Concerns over junction design and comments on route through new development were shared with planning. Works well underway.

Minutes (July 2017): CM bit [!] disappointed that new development doesn’t appear to be exemplar cycle route through development. Will wait and see what happens. LG/LR – did speak to planning control and fed back group’s views on cycle infrastructure and other transport issues related to the development.

Action (July 2017): LG to get update from Don and share with group. [Note that in April 2017 the action had been: LG to confirm key dates for development and whether there is an opportunity to influence designs still. This was not reported on].

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): None.

Action (September 2017)LG to get update from Don and share with group. [No change, action carried over]

Response (September 2017): None.

Comment: For more on the Felnex site, see Felnex Redevelopment – an acid test for cycling (Get Sutton Cycling, June 2016). This now includes ‘What happened next?‘ section. In summary: On 23 June 2016, Cllr. Manuel Abellan (Liberal Democrat, Beddington South), in response to an email from us, said he agreed that this new development was an opportunity to put in practice the new cycling strategy and to achieve the latest high quality cycling design standards. He also advised that he had written to Sutton Council asking for a meeting with the lead officer and the local councillors to discuss these plans. On 13 July 2016, we wrote to Cllr. Manual Abellan again, to ask whether the meeting he had requested with Sutton Council about the proposed cycling infrastructure at the Felnex redevelopment had gone ahead. Manuel replied on 17 July 2016, in which he advised that the meeting with Sutton Council had not yet taken place, and that he would keep us posted. Nothing more was hear, so on 30 November 2017 we wrote to Cllr. Abellan (copied to Tom Brake) again to ask whether the meeting he had requested with Sutton Council in the summer of 2016 to discuss cycling and the redevelopment had taken place. And, if so, whether he was able to share the outcomes.

Also see, Felnex crossing and Hackbridge parking (Get Sutton Cycling, November 2016)


Cycle stands

Description: Boroughwide

Funding 2016/17: £5,000

Local Committee: All

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Not reported.

Update (26 September 2017): Not reported.

Minutes (July 2017): CM requested stands at St Anthonys 15 months ago. St Anthonys don’t want stands put in so money has been spent elsewhere. LR said that the stands at the Salvation Army had gone in. CM requested that we say when stands have gone in as it is a good news story.

CM still wished to see cycle stands being put in at Local Committee venues.

Action (July 2017)LBS to tell group when new cycle stands have gone in.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): None.

Action (September 2017)LBS to tell group when new cycle stands have gone in.

Response (September 2017): None.

Comment: [Our request for the provision of cycle parking at the various venues used for the local committee meetings across the borough was first requested at the Cycle Forum in March 2016]. Also see ‘Sutton Green cycle stands’ reported in ‘Section 4: Scheme updates 2017-2018’ below.


Cycle shelters

Description: Essentially residential cycle parking/storage

Funding 2016/17:

Local Committee: All

Lead Engineer: Paul Garside

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Dover Gardens Bikehangar installed and being used. [Note: a request for the Dover Garden Bikehangar had been instigated in August 2015, with installation in November 2016]

Minutes (July 2017): SQ mentioned again that there were cycles fly parked in Margrave Rd. This could be a possible site for a bikehangar.

Consultation on three bikehangar locations have been completed by Paul Garside. CM was unhappy with the result of the consultation on Landseer Roadd. It was explained that there needs to be significant support for a hangar before it can be installed. Landseer Road is a recently refurbed conservation area with low current interest in a bikehangar. Grove Road consultation had a similar result to Landseer Rd.

Paul Garside is now asking residents at two further locations (Abbotsleigh Close and Clarendon Road) to gather support from neighbours first before a formal consultation takes place.

Action (July 2017)Paul Garside to look at Margrave Rd as a possible site for a future bikehangar should funding be available. CM to speak to Cyclehoop and neighbours to gather support.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Paul Garside reports there has not been enough support from residents at Abbotsleigh Close and Clarendon Road to proceed with bikehangar installations. Paul is looking for possible new sites and is engaging businesses to see if they are interested in bikehangars.

CM has spoken to Cyclehoop but accepts getting a hangar on Landseer Road without support of neighbours is not possible.

Cyclehoop to carry out survey of all existing hangars in borough. Data should help demonstrate whether hangars effectively used and managed.

[CM advised the BedZed at Hackbridge could be a possible location for a Bikehangar]

Action (September 2017)Paul Garside to provide update on Bikehangars.

Response (September 2017):

Comment: [It appears that no Bikehangars have been installed in the borough since Dover Gardens in November 2016]


TfL report summary

No report.

Progress: Unknown

Comment: [The background on this has been presented in an number of posts, including Major cycling schemes for TfL roads to be presented to councillors (Get Sutton Cycling, October 2015), and Beddington and Wallington agree that cycling proposals be presented to TfL (Get Sutton Cycling, December 2015)].

Outstanding action (from April 2017): YD [no longer at LBS] to update and give feedback to committee. Not reported on.



4: Scheme updates 2017-2018

Schemes to be funded and delivered between April 2017 and March 2018 had been presented to local committees during the spring/summer of 2016. At the Environment and Neighbourhood Committee on 15 September 2016, the report ‘Local Implementation Plan (LIP) for the 2017/18 Budget’ (dated 15 September 2016), along with Appendix A ‘Scheme List’, Appendix B ‘Reserve List’, Appendix C ‘Mayor’s Transport Strategy Outcomes’, were presented to committee members.

The scheme updates listed here are, like the 2016-17 schemes, presented in the order provided in the Schemes Update documentation of 26 September 2017 unless otherwise stated. Similarly, details have been supplemented by the notes provided in the minutes of the July 2017 Forum, received 15 August 2017, and minutes to the September 2017 Forum, received 26 October 2017. As in section 3, we do not not necessary condone the text, and additions appear in square brackets [].

For additional information on the background of these schemes, see the notes to the Sutton Cycle Forum April 2017. Where indicative funding is provided, this has been sourced from the appendices to the aforementioned ‘Local Implementation Plan (LIP) for the 2017/18 Budget’ report.


Middleton Road (Wandle Valley)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Description: ?

Indicative Funding 2017/18: £50,000

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): [Same as July 2017]

Re-paint advisory lanes and make more visible on existing section only. Continue advisory cycle lanes to Middleton Circle – will include removing 2 traffic islands and replacing with zebras. Further option to be added to reserve list is to widen the road to provide kerb separated mandatory cycle lanes between Budge Lane and Middleton Circle.

The NCN20 and Wandle Trail crosses Middleton Road near Budge Lane on a Toucan crossing. The route then was along Middleton Road in to Peterborough Road and Bishopsford Road but the route through Poulter Park was established in 2015 therefore Middleton Road is now not part of NCN20.

Minutes (July 2017):

JK/CM stated there is heavy traffic on the road. HW said that the plan was to refresh the existing faded cycle lane and extend it from Peterbrough Rd to Middleton Circle. HW said he will look at whether the circle could be part of this scheme too.

CQ said there was an issue with parking outside the trading estate blocking the Wandle Trail near the Toucan crossing.

JK asked whether LBS would consider moving cycle lanes inside the parked cars on Middleton Rd. CM suggested the whole scheme be sold as a good link for local residents to the Wandle Trail.

Action (July 2017)HW to take on comments and feed into designs. Share with group.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017):

Comments made at last meeting regarding this scheme. HW to build into designs and feedback to group. [HW reported he had visited Middleton Road]

Action (September 2017):  HW to take on comments and feed into designs. Share with group. [No change, action carried over]

Response (September 2017): None.

CommentEssentially, separate cycle tracks are required. Painted, or re-painted, lanes are not supported (same as comment in July 2017. (In April 2017 our comment had been: Only support the provision of separated cycle lanes). Could it be that the delay on this is because we are insisting on protected space for cycling and not paint? Would we have not seen drawings showing painted lanes by now if this was the intention?


North/south cycle route (Wallington North / Wallington South)

Note: this scheme includes the previously reported Bridge Road 2018-2019 scheme (£5,000), plus aspirations for Bute Road/London Road and Onslow Gardens to Clarendon Road across Stafford Road.

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ? [Considerable?]

Local Committee: Beddington and Wallington

Lead Engineer: IP

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Wallington North/South Cycle Route –  there is a network of residential roads running parallel to the east of Woodcote Road and Manor Road that could be used to establish a north / south Wallington cycle route. The route is supported by the ward councillors. The route is Bute Road / Belmont Road / Bridge Road / Clarendon Road / Onslow Gardens. There is an existing east / west route at Blenheim Gardens so route could end here.

Bridge Road is closed to traffic by rows of bollards at each end. Vehicular access is still required for maintenance of the street lighting and bridge. It is a pedestrian and cycle route. [Yes, this section of Bridge Road (the bridge across the railway between Melbourne Road and Ross Road) is essentially traffic free)].

Bute Road – already traffic calmed with flat topped humps from Croydon Road to Montague Gardens propose slowing measures between Montague Gardens and Chiltern Road and consider 20mph zone.

Minutes (July 2017) (item 6 ‘North/South cycle route, Wallington’):

  • CM has observed kids cycling on the pavement on Croydon Rd and lots of school drop offs in this area. CllrA said the crossing of Croydon Rd needed improving. It would link to Beddington Park. LR said all changes in this area depended on TfL.
  • CQ mentioned “vicious” road humps on Bute Rd. Said these needed improving but crossings of Stafford Rd and changes to Bridge Rd / Ross Parade junction were most important.
  • Suggested changes to the Bridge Rd / Ross Parade junction included moving the bollards back, creating a raised table, better signage.
  • JK wanted the Woodcote/Stanley Park Rd junction design to take into account the N/S route. Can signals at Sainsbury’s be combined to allow pedestrian and cycle crossing on the N/S route alignment?
  • N/S route to finish at Blenheim Gardens where it will join an existing east / west route.
  • CM suggested the scheme be considered as a liveable neighbourhood scheme. This would help sell the scheme to residents and have additional benefits beyond cycling.
  • CllrA suggested to sell the scheme to ward Cllrs it would be a good idea to sell the long term improvements for everyone. CllrA also suggested the engineers do similar engagement with Cllrs as have done with the Quietway, e.g. set up a meeting to discuss the designs when they are ready so support can be gathered.
  • JK mentioned that the Croydon Rd section was one of the most polluted road in the area and had 3 schools close by. This seemed like a good angle to use on this scheme.

Action (July 2017)RF to take comments so far, work on designs and bring back to group for further comments.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Not reported. [At the meeting it was mentioned that work on the designs was not sufficiently progressed to bring to the Forum].

Action (September 2017):  None reported [The action effectively being to carry forward action from July 2017, RF to take comments so far, work on designs and bring back to group for further comments]

Response (September 2017): None.



Rosehill (Rosehill Park West and Waverley Avenue)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Sutton

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017):

This section of highway has seen 13 accidents within the last three years. The road has a 30mph speed limit with an average carriageway width of 9m. It is a bus route and future tram route with a pelican crossing near the parade of shops.

Minutes (July 2017): Accidents have been reduced over the years. However, this road still has a higher number of accidents than many other roads in the borough. HW said the work is still with WSP to come up with ideas. CM said LCC had originally requested this road be turned into a boulevard. CM said the carriageway is approximately 9m but there is a green space next to it so this could be used as part of the scheme possibly.

Action (July 2017)HW to share WSP suggestions with group.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017):  Comments made at last meeting regarding this scheme.

Action (September 2017)HW to share WSP suggestions with group. [No change, action carried over]

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: The reference to LCC originally requesting that Rose Hill be turned into a boulevard relates to the Space for Cycling ‘ward ask’ for Sutton North (May 2014) and the provision of protected space on Angel Hill and Rose Hill; ‘green space’ refers to Rosehill Recreation Ground and Rosehill Park East



Wrythe Lane  – between Welbeck Road and Muschamp Road (St Helier)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Wrythe Lane – between Welbeck Road and Muschamp Road –

Minutes (July 2017): With WSP [consultants]

Action (July 2017)HW to share WSP suggestions with group

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): With WSP [consultants]

Action (September 2017)HW to share WSP suggestions with group [No change, action carried over]

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: ?????? What is this exactly?


Stavordale Road (St Helier)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): New barriers being put in on PROW – Stavordale Road. Safety concerns on blind corner. Aim to slow people down. Issue with mopeds.

Minutes (July 2017): Barriers being put in as there is a safety issue with speeding vehicles round blind corner on PROW. Group wished to see how this would be designed as they had concerns about how it would look and how cyclists may navigate the barriers.

Action (July 2017)HW to share WSP suggestions with group

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Barriers in. Details were shared with group. Still some issues but cyclist agreed not a key cycle route. [See comment below]

Action (September 2017): None

Response (September 2017): None

CommentThis is not a cycling scheme, is not a cycle route or any description (let alone a “key route”). Cyclists should not be attempting “to navigate the barriers”. See further comments on this in the Notes to the July 2017 Cycle Forum


Sutton Green cycle parking (Sutton North)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Sutton

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Sutton Green High St – new cycle stands next to new cafe

Minutes (July 2017): Not reported

Action (July 2017): None.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Not reported

Action (September 2017): None

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Cycle parking stands to be located by a new cafe (former toilet block). To be funded through the Local Transport Fund element of the LIP, see Sutton Local Committee July 2017 (Item 11: Local Transport Fund and presentation).



Brighton Road / Cotswold Road Phase 2 (Belmont)

(also known as Royal Marsden / ICR / Sutton Hospital)

Note: scheme carried over from 2016-2017, funding implications not known.

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Sutton South, Cheam and Belmont

Lead Engineer: LR/IP

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Phase 1 feasibility study was undertaken by Project Centre. The brief was to look at the junction of Brighton Road / Cotswold Road / Chiltern Road due to possible changes to the area through the development of the Cancer Hub and new secondary school. The brief also included looking at the surrounding area to suggest possible infrastructure improvements to encourage sustainable modes of transport. Accidents: two accidents Brighton Road junction, one accident Downs Road junction. Follow up meeting with WSP required. [Same update as supplied 25 July 2017]

Minutes (July 2017): Phase 2 – plans to be shared.

Action (July 2017): LR/IP to share Phase 2 plans for comment when available

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Phase 2 – plans to be shared.

Action (September 2017): LR/IP to share Phase 2 plans for comment when available [No change, action carried over]

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: [A meeting about the proposed new secondary school is scheduled to take place this afternoon  (26 September)]


Foresters Drive between Sandy Lane South and Mollinson Drive (Beddington South)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Beddington and Wallington

Lead Engineer: IP

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): This section of highway has had six accidents in the last three years. The junction with Sandy Lane South and Waterer Rise has had minor improvements over the years but complaints are still received from road users. The road has a 30mph speed limit with an average carriageway width of 9m. There is currently a proposal to introduce hatching along the length of the road as a speed reducing measure. Introduce a safer crossing point on Mollison Drive between The Newlands and Mollison Drive as this section has an existing cycle route. [The same update as supplied 25 July 2017, noting that reference to introducing hatching has been removed (shown struck through). If there is space for hatching on the carriageways (hatching not welcomed), then is some space for cycling)]

Minutes (July 2017): Cllr Abellan said the hatching was not being done now. LBS are looking at creating a safer crossing of Foresters Drive and tackling issues of speeding. Cllr Abellan said LBS were looking at improving the 5 arm junction (SQ/CQ presented 10 yr old designs for the 5 arm junction). Cllr Abellan also said initial proposals have been sent back to engineers as not good enough for pedestrians and cyclists.

Action (July 2017): IP to share designs with group for comment when ready.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Not reported.

Action (September 2017): IP to share designs with group for comment when ready.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: (Same as reported July 2017) Good news that the hatching idea is being ditched. A reminder that the Space for Cycling ‘ward ask’ for Beddington South included protected space for cycling on Foresters Drive.


Green Lane (Worcester Park)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: £100,000

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Provide a 3m wide tarmac path 220m long for shared use between pedestrians and cyclists between the end of the tarmac o/s Green Lane School and the turning area o/s Green Lane riding stables. [Same update as provided in July 2017]

Minutes (July 2017): CQ asked whether the track will link to the school. LR said the school are making other demands to add in to the scheme so it is unclear how much can be done this financial year given the money allocated.

Action (July 2017)LR to share designs when have them.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): CQ asked whether the track will link to the school. LR said the school are making other demands to add in to the scheme so it is unclear how much can be done this financial year given the money allocated. Not enough money to surface track between school and borough boundary. [Last sentence highlighted, as is new].

Action (September 2017)LR to share designs when have them.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment:


St Dunstan’s School Area (Cheam)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Streets would include Anne Boleyn’s Walk, Queens Acre and Jubilee Road. The area as a whole is narrow and heavily parked although some parts may require additional traffic calming measures to keep speeds to 20mph. A 20mph zone would complement the existing raised uncontrolled crossing point at the entrance to St Dunstan’s School. Informal consultation soon on 20 mph zone and zebra. [Last sentence highlighted, as is new].

Minutes (July 2017): LR said the school are supportive. Want raised table converted to zebra. SQ said the current design is an issue. A Cycling UK member was injured at the raised table when they hit a bollard/kerb/buildout. SQ said the narrowing of the road was an issue for cyclists.

Action (July 2017)LR to share designs when have them.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Comments made at last meeting regarding this scheme.

Action (September 2017)LR to share designs when have them.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Designs complete, expect to go to consultation soon. For our subsequent response to the informal consultation, see A small enclave of Cheam to benefit from 20mph speed limit (Get Sutton Cycling, November 2017).

In relation to the St Dunstan’s Cheam CofE Primary School area, readers may be interested in Watch out in Cheam! There are children, opps, sorry, humps about, (Sutton Living Streets, January 2014). This post was published at the time of the consultation for the raised table by the school, and commented on the use of what appeared to be a requirement for excessive signage to alert drivers of the raised table. Surely the presence of the school, and the residential setting, are what sets the agenda, not signage. 30mph never has been an appropriate maximum speed limit here, and it amazing how long it has taken for the authorities to recognise this.


Cheam Common Junior school area (Nonsuch)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Being investigated for Cheam Common Junior school area – Balmoral Road, Worcester Park. 20mph zone and zebra agreed by councillors as a result of informal consultation. Formal consultation November. [Highlighted text new since July].

Minutes (July 2017): LR said the informal consultation on the proposed 20mph area is ending next week. Roundels on the roads and a zebra crossing outside the school are proposed. Residents and school are supportive. A formal consultation will follow should the Cllrs approve.

Action (July 2017)LR to share consultation dates and proposals.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Councillors approved and scheme went to formal consultation. CM – asked for traffic calming and further traffic reduction ideas to be mentioned during the consultation even though designs initially looking at non-physical interventions, [To clarify: (1) Traffic calming does not mean traffic cushions. [2] Consultations (informal or formal) are opportunities to raise awareness (to mention ideas) around council policy (Sustainable Transport Strategy) and around new emerging programmes such as Liveable Neighbourhoods and Healthy Streets. Talking about 20mph is that opportunity].

Action (September 2017)LR to share designs when have them.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: On 30 June 2017 a consultation letter and plan for this scheme had been received for comment. A meeting had taken place with councillors, and it was hoped to go to formal consultation in November. The intention is for a 20mph zone for the whole area, with no chicanes. If 20mph does not improve things, traffic calming will be looked at. Traffic here can be relatively high during school start and finish times (so this ensures a higher response rate from residents to such a consultation). (Consequently, point-closures could be the way forward. Give people a choice). CM said that when consulting on 20mph, Liveable Neighbourhood type ideas are now needed too. LR said that would be the next phase. CM said it was needed now, because it was all about being ahead of the curve. Explain to residents that the Mayor of London had new funding proposals for ‘Healthy Streets’, and start the conversation.


Stanley Park High School (Carshalton South and Clockhouse)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: £20,000

Local Committee: Carshalton and Clockhouse

Lead Engineer: IP

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): A 20mph zone is proposed for the road network surrounding Stanley Park High School to encourage cycling and walking and create a safer environment for all road users. Roads within the study area are traffic calmed or heavily parked with speeds presumably already slow and therefore suitable for a 20mph zone area. [Same update as July, except referenced as ‘area’ rather than ‘zone’].

Minutes (July 2017): CQ/SQ showed support for 20mph areas rather than zones. CM pointed out that LCN76 suffered from lots of barriers in this area. LR asked CM to include this comment when consultation comes out.

Action (July 2017): LR to share consultation dates and proposals.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): 20 mph AREA – Comments made at last meeting regarding this scheme

Action (September 2017): IP to share consultation dates and proposals.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: 20mph has not been progressed, but yellow lines are going (or have gone) in. That’s it. Consultation awaited. As for the barriers, see Idea’s for boosting Sutton’s cycling aspirations


Denmark Road (The Wrythe)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: £50,000

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: IP?

Status (26 September 2017):

This scheme did not appear with an update, and was not reported on.


Butter Hill, Leachcroft and Caledon Roads (Wallington North)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: £60,000

Local Committee: Beddington and Wallington

Lead Engineer: IP?

This scheme did not appear with an update, and was not reported on.


Camden Road (The Wrythe)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: £40,000

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: IP?

This scheme did not appear with an update, and was not reported on.


Kimpton Park Way (Stonecot)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Parking restrictions going ahead soon.

Minutes (July 2017): LR said parking restrictions were going ahead soon.

Action (July 2017): None.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): LR said parking restrictions were going ahead soon. KIMPTON INDUSTRIAL PARK lobbying TfL to reduce speed 40 to 30 and improve left turn filter. [Last sentence highlighted, as is new. Left turn filter refers to exit from Kimpton Park Way on to Oldfields Road (A217)].

Action (September 2017): LR Phase 1 going in 1st October. Second phase being consulted on now.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: All to do with parking. HGVs access is being blocked. Yellow lines going in. Width-restriction signage gone in. Residents would still like better signing to stop (or at least discourage) HGVs using Gander Green Lane. (Signage on the A217 (TfL) road). Read more at KIPPA BID LTD (Kimpton Industrial Park, Business Improvement District). Kimpton a victim of its own success. More businesses going into the area, traffic building up (and presumably most employees driving (not cycling) to work and so causing parking stress).


Brookfield Primary (Stonecot)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): This safe route to schools scheme would involve close working with the school and their travel plan.

Minutes (July 2017): LR said this safe route to schools scheme would involve close working with the school and their travel plan.

Action (July 2017)LR to share proposals.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): LR said this safe route to schools scheme would involve close working with the school and their travel plan. Still waiting for contact from school. [Last sentence highlighted, as is new].

Action (September 2017)LR to share proposals.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Brookfield Primary School, Ridge Road. No design proposals to be shared until school on-board. Still not sure what this is all about.


Sandy Lane / Burdon Lane (Cheam)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Sutton South, Cheam and Belmont

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Improve pedestrian facilities in Sandy Lane near Upper Mulgrave Road and Peaches Close. Consultation soon.

Minutes (July 2017): LR said plan is to convert traffic island to zebra. Consultation soon.

Action (July 2017)LR to share consultation dates..

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Sandy Lane improvements going ahead – no zebra going in now. Some junction tightening. CQ said there was surface issues around traffic island.

Action (September 2017)LR to share designs.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Residents Association does not want to convert traffic island to a zebra after all, but rather would like improvements to walking routes to traffic island. Also a tightened junction with Upper Mulgrave Road. The existing crossing may be raised.


Cheam Common Road (Worcester Park)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Pedestrian improvements to side roads and flashing signs. Construction programmed for November.

Minutes (July 2017): Accident remedial scheme. WSP are designing. Cycle and pedestrian improvements, e.g. sunken gully improvements.

Action (July 2017)LR to share proposals.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Accident remedial scheme. WSP have looked at. Not really a pattern of accidents. Looking at improving tactile paving, Pedestrian Guard Rail, flashing speed signs, sunken gully. This has gone councillors for approval. [Highlighted text is new new since July]

Action (September 2017): Formal consultation will commence in November.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Improvements? Ongoing.


Grange Road / Worcester Road (Sutton South)

Open Street Map / Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Sutton South, Cheam and Belmont

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): The 20mph area has been approved. Will consult formally on it in the new year.

Minutes (July 2017): LR said the 20mph area has been approved. Will consult formally on it in the new year.

Action (July 2017)LR to share consultation dates and proposals.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): LR said the 20mph area has been approved. Will consult formally on it late 2017 / early 2018.

Action (September 2017)LR to share consultation dates and proposals.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Two years on the making. Incredible how long it takes to progress 20mph. Local Committee has discussed.



Church Hill Road (Nonsuch)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): LR said the consultation on this 20mph area completed. Analysing results of consultation at moment.

Minutes (July 2017): LR said the consultation on this 20mph area will happen early August. Will include roundels, signs and some vertical deflections, e.g. table at Matlock. CQ asked for a bit of signing for cyclists to(o). CQ also suggested no right turns in or out of Lumley Rd. LR asked that all these comments go in the consultation responses.

Action (July 2017)LR to share consultation dates and proposals.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): LR recommended go to [formal] consultation with 20mph limits, speed humps. Meeting Nonsuch councillors to discuss consultation outcomes. CM – wanted designs of any physical deflections to be cycle friendly. [‘Humps’ discussion with councillors. Will be sinusoidal if included. LCN Wrayfield Road and Buxton Crescent to be included in 20mph area.]

Action (September 2017): Consultation finished. LR to share proposals.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: [This is essentially the same comment as that given in notes to the Forum in July] A consultation letter and plan, referenced to ‘Proposed 20mph zone and other measures in Church Hill Road and surrounding roads’, had been received by Get Sutton Cycling on 8 August. CM acknowledged this the same day, commenting that 20mph was welcome but the brief now needed to be widened to encompass the Heathy Streets Approach. It was noted from the plan that it looked as though Wrayfield Road and Buxton Crescent, on the north-east boundary of the zone, were not to be included in the scheme. If this was the case, their exemption was a little incongruous given that both Wrayfield Road and Buxton Crescent were part of a signed cycle route (LCN 75). New: It now looks as though Wrayfield Road and Buxton Crescent are to be included in the 20mph area.


Lincoln Road – part of LCN 75 (Worcester Park)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: Cheam North and Worcester Park

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Councillors want one-way. No entry plug suggested instead. No entry plug consultation finished 22/9.

Minutes (July 2017): Councillors want one-way. No entry plug suggested instead.

Action (July 2017)LR to share designs when have them.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Councillors want one-way. No entry plug suggested instead. After residents requested one-way, 214 residents letter dropped. 38 responses (18%). More people against bone-way working than for. Councillors need to weigh-up residents views. LR said the scheme could wait and be taken as part of the Quietway.

Action (September 2017): LR has shared designs. LR to provide update.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: [Our same comment as provided in the notes to the July Forum]. A consultation letter and plan, referenced to ‘Proposed short section of one-way working at the western end of Lincoln Road Worcester Road’, was received by Get Sutton Cycling on 1 September. We replied on 14 September:

The introduction of a short section of one-way working, with cycle contraflow, is likely to be a positive intervention for cycling here given that the entry plug will act as a form of filtering and result in some reduction in through motor traffic movements.
 
Having sought the views of LCC members and supporters on this, our only reservations relate to the the width of the gap for cycle access at the western end of the road (by Green Lane) and the ease of access when cycling into the gap from Green Lane (particularly, perhaps, when approaching from the north and turning left into Lincoln Road). Ideally, the gap will be need to be 1.5 metres (or more) wide to accommodate trikes and cargo-bikes. From the plan it looks as though, through a combination of narrow gap width and reduction in the width of the splay at the junction (generally a good thing), that there may not be sufficient turning space for someone to manoeuvre into the gap (especially if they had, for example, an extension for a child’s trailer fitted to their bike). We would recommend that consideration be given to providing a wider gap for cycle access, and suggest this could be facilitated through a reduction in the width of the proposed central island.
 
On a wider scale, and looking to the future, we would like to see Green Lane transformed into a cycle street (or have cycle tracks installed) so as to create a link between Worcester Park Station, the LCN75, and Lower Morden Lane. This would enable pupils of Green Lane Primary to cycle to school. If forthcoming proposals for the Quietway here were to include such ideas, this would be very welcome. It is also hoped that Healthy Streets and Liveable Neighbourhoods are terms that residents begin to see, and recognise, in all future consultation correspondence.
Informal consultation over wider area, to gauge what residents would like, finished yesterday, 25 September. 18% response rate, and most of respondents were against one-way working (although most residents on Lincoln Road did want it, hence consultation). So councillors will now have to decide whether to go ahead or not.
A ‘Quietway’ here is on the radar. Plan B could be to forget it for now, and tell the disgruntled residents “sorry, there has been a difference of views on this, but you may be interested to know that a ‘Quietway’ is coming and that could help your cause because we want to make it safer for cycling too and that might help”.
Presumably, this all relates to an increase in the frequency of episodes where has been conflict of between drivers having to reverse to allow traffic, to pass on a street that was not designed for high levels of car-owbership, parking, or use. Rather like Tharp Road. Another reason why a holistic approach is required. The council need to let residents know of these issues are increasing and that unless something is done it can only get worse. The question is, will the borough’s emerging parking strategy help?

Grange Vale (Sutton South)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2017/18: ?

Local Committee: South Sutton, Cheam and Belmont

Lead Engineer: LR

Status (26 September 2017): Ongoing

Update (26 September 2017): Councillors want to look at again. Want push control crossing. Progressing a width restriction before the bridge consultation in November.

Minutes (July 2017): Councillors want to look at again. Want push control crossing. Should get consultation crossing.

Action (July 2017)LR to share consultation dates when know them.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Councillors want to look at again. Want push control crossing. Should get consultation crossing. Councillors have agreed to width restriction. LR did suggest road closure. Would sever a big area if closed [?]. CQ – could pavement be widened under bridge? [Highlighted text is new new since July]

Action (September 2017): LR to share designs.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Background to this unknown. Believed to be around safety of people on foot walking along the narrow footway under the bridge on this one-way street. Effectively designing-in compliance for drivers, some of whom do not currently take the necessary care and attention required when approaching the bridge.

CM suggested closing the road to through traffic. Councillors don’t want this. [Traffic counts were carried out here by Get Sutton Cycling in summer (2017), and these indicate that over 400 vehicles an hour use Grange Vale in the morning peak. It would be interesting to know the origin and destination to see what proportion of the traffic has either a start or end point within, say, 1km proximity of Grange Vale, plus overall journey length].

A width restriction by the railway bridge is proposed.



5: Scheme updates 2018-2019

Schemes to be funded and delivered between April 2018 and March 2019 may have been presented to local committees during the spring/summer of 2017. It is customary for the local committee proposals to then be collated into a Local Implementation Plan report and presented to the Environment and Neighbourhood Committee in September (in this case, September 2017). Following approval of the proposals by the E&N committee, the list of schemes are then sent to TfL in October (2017), with the expectation that funding will be agreed by TfL in December (2017). However, the September 2017 meeting of the E&N committee has been cancelled. The LIP guidance for 2018-19 is, like 2017-18, in an interim phase. For more on LIP see Local Implementation Plans (TfL).

The scheme updates listed here are, like the 2017-18 schemes, presented in the order provided in the Schemes Update documentation of 26 September 2017 unless otherwise stated. Similarly, details have been supplemented by the notes provided in the minutes of the July 2017 Forum, received 15 August 2017, and minutes to the September 2017 Forum, received 26 October 2017. As in sections 3 and 4, only the text under ‘Comments’, and provided in square brackets [] is our own.


Bushy Road / Bushy Lane (Sutton South)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2018/19: ?

Local Committee: Sutton

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Future

Update (26 September 2017): This crossing scheme overlaps with the Quietway and parking strategy (!!!)

Minutes (July 2017): Crossing scheme overlaps with the Quietway and parking strategy

Action (July 2017): HW to speak with LR about scheme to ensure joined up.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): Crossing scheme overlaps with the Quietway and parking strategy

Action (September 2017)HW to speak with LR about scheme to ensure joined up.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Absolutely nothing to get excited about with this proposal. If anything, given the reference to helping deliver, or tied-in, with a ‘Quietway’, the opposite is the case. Funding could have been secured by the development of the former gasworks site (now Sainsbury’s) to have delivered significant improvements to the footway path running adjacent to the site (Crown Road to Bushey Road). The opportunity for that was lost, as is now evident with the completion of the development. Apparently, this is all part of the borough’s parking strategy.


London Road / Goat Road (Wandle Valley)

Open Street Map and Google Streetview

Indicative funding 2018/19: ?

Local Committee: St Helier, The Wrythe and Wandle Valley

Lead Engineer: HW

Status (26 September 2017): Future

Update (26 September 2017): HW to work with [London Borough of] Merton on.

Minutes (July 2017): CQ stated that this was an awkward junction and was keen to know what was proposed. HW to work with Merton on. Designs will be shared when we have them.

Action (July 2017): HW to share designs when we have them.

Response (July 2017): None.

Minutes (September 2017): HW to work with Merton on. Designs will be shared when we have them.

Action (September 2017): HW to share designs when we have them.

Response (September 2017): None

Comment: Distressingly, there was a fatality close to this location in April 2014 (as reported here by the Sutton Guardian) and a collision in which two people were hospitalised in April 2017 (again, Sutton guardian reports here). It is quite disgraceful that this location has not been given the top priority for work before this.


6: Mayor’s Air Quality funding

In summary:

  • The council had submitted a bid for the Mayor’s Air Quality Fund
  • The bid had been focussed on Sutton town centre
  • Funding for a package of air-quality improvement measures had been received for 2017/18 (various pots of funding, including improvements for cycling equating to £35,000)
  • Physical interventions are preferred for most of the funding, for example:
    • new or relocated cycle parking stands, and/or new signs  (so, where are the gaps in cycle parking and cycle signage?)
    • ‘greening’ the frontage of Robin Hood Junior School
    • improving accessibility to public transport
  • Have we any suggestions to add?

The text that follows is not ours, but is as reported in the minutes (received 26 October 2017) [with any changes or additions provided in brackets]:

Dave Trew introduced the group to the Mayor’s Air Quality Funding pot available for cycling improvements in Sutton Town Centre. The funding must be spent in the financial year 2017/18. It totals £35,000.

[The Council] would like to see physical interventions and would welcome ideas from the group.

CM asked about monitoring of air quality. DT explained there are automatic monitors in Worcester Park and Wallington and 2 in Beddington. These Monitor Nitrogen Dioxide and particulates. There is a network of lower cost monitors [near Sutton Green, near the Robin Hood school, by Sutton Police Station, and at Brighton Road (near Sutton Station), and a ‘passive’ monitor in Cheam Village] that give an average and aren’t as accurate . These just monitor Nitrogen Dioxide (this is the measure we are failing on). As part of this project we are looking at getting an automatic monitor installed on Throwley Way.

JK mentioned the shared path Manor Lane to crossing at Throwley Way. Asked whether this junction could be sorted out so more direct crossing. This is on the Quietway Plan. DT said we are looking at surface on Lodge Place to improve cycle/ped access to high street from this point. [The issue of a more direct crossing linking Manor Lane with Lodge Place had been discussed at the special August 2017 Cycle Forum with Sustrans, and, indeed, stated as a requirement in Sutton’s proposed first Quietway: what is required to make it a success? (Get Sutton Cycling, July 2016)].

JK mentioned issues on Greenford Rd/Benhill Ave, e.g. tactile issues, poor signage, 1 way for motor traffic but make clearer 2 way for cycling. DT – said some decluttering in the area may help. There was a discussion about whether it was worth putting in cycle signage now for 3 years before Quietway goes in, when it would be replaced? Differing views. [It was again noted that the cycling contra-flow on Sutton High Street (approximately 20-metre section, between Greenford Road (to west of High Street) and Benhill Avenue (to the east of the High Street) had been effectively lost three or four years ago during another reiteration of the High Street space)].

DT said there would be changes to residential parking permits to promote lower polluting vehicles, business engagement, fleet/travel plans, public realm improvements (Lodge Place, Greenford Road decluttering, Halfords alleyway).

CM suggested [not for the first time] removing barriers on Hadden Road. [In fact, this is more than a suggestion, it’s a requirement – could be a precursor to the Quietway (east-west) discussions].

CQ mentioned Greenford Rd development and the impact of the proposed loading bay. LR said Sustrans were looking at this and its impact on the Quietway.

JK said there was poor signage from Sutton Station heading north as entering high street (pub on the corner). Current signage very high up.

SQ suggested publicity on exposure to fumes and health benefit of cycling.

CM/JK said there wasn’t a big enough change. Sutton Town Centre Masterplan and new developments must do more.

DT said they were looking at cycle parking in Lodge Place. JK said it must be clearly visible.

SQ said they preferred pairs of stands. [CM – preferably several stands]

DT asked the group to suggest where there were gaps in the provision of cycle stands.

CM asked for the funding to be used to repair damaged racks too.

CQ mentioned a contra flow from ASDA to Sainsburys. Possibly part of the Sutton Town Centre Masterplan.

SQ suggested a site visit.

DT said the stands by The Grapes [Greenford Road] were not well used and asked can we move or make more noticeable. SQ said she didn’t think they should be taken out. [The discussion around cycle parking stands was about relocating stands or providing new stands, not reducing the overall number of stands. It was suggested that the stands on Church Street were rarely used, so could be considered for relocated.

[LCC has a online portal, Urban Cycle Parking, where people can suggest cycle parking locations and add existing cycle parking provision to the map. Kingston Council has a map showing cycle parking, available from a link on the Cycle Parking in Kingston page].

Action (September 2017): DT to take on comments and keep group updated. Organise site meeting if necessary. Group to email DT ideas for funding.


7: Quietway update

(Also see, section 1, ‘Overview’, above – meeting with councillors scheduled for 12 October).

Detailed here is the text as reported in the received minutes (received 26 October 2017), but with only showing the text that was different from that provided in the minutes to the July 2017 Cycle Forum (received 18 August 2017). That just left one bullet-point remaining:

  • LR confirmed TfL would not fund the proposals if traffic was not reduced to acceptable levels.

[NOTE: At the Quietway meeting on 24 August 2017 (effectively part two of the July 2017 Cycle Forum), it had again been stated that TfL would only fund the Quietway if certain criteria were met. The criteria included the need to reduce traffic volume on Benhill Wood Road and Grennell Road[.

Action (September 2017)LR will discuss consultation results with councillors on 12 October. Update group.

For more on the Quietway, see:

Quietways require more than lines and signs (Get Sutton Cycling, September 2015)

Sutton’s proposed first Quietway: what is required to make it a success? (Get Sutton Cycling, July 2016).

Sutton’s proposed first Quietway: the conversation begins (Get Sutton Cycling, August 2017)


8: AOB

Detailed here as reported in the received minutes (received 18 August 2017) [with additions in brackets]:

  • SQ asked for the logos on Cheam Park cycle track to be renewed. Action: LR to speak to inspectors regarding Cheam Park cycle track (6 logos missing). Lighting as well.
  • [Carried forward from July 2017] CM asked what was happening on Tharp Road. It was supposed to be a one way trial. JK stated that if there was no contra flow for cycling this will close the route. [All documented in No room for bikes: how Tharp Road could show borough-wide failure over cycling (Get Sutton Cycling, January 2017)] Action: IP to provide update on Tharp Road [i.e. same action as July 2017].
  • [Carried forward from July 2017] JK raised 2 maintenance issues:
    • Shared path on Therapia Lane, between Beddington Lane and Greenland Way being used as a car park. [Response and action] LG has contacted parking in Sutton in relation to enforcement at Therapia Lane. Need to discuss further with them before enforcement. [It is hard to believe that someone actually thought that the path on Therapia Lane (whether shared-use or a footway) would not be used for vehicle parking for the outset. Fit for purpose infrastructure (for car-parking, as well as for walking an cycling) should have been provided at this location when the one-way system was introduced. To put it another way, the existing cycling shared-use path on Therapia Lane is simply not fit for purpose. This is not about parking enforcement. Hopefully, the Beddington North TfL Major Scheme will address this. There is space to accommodate general traffic, parking and walking and cycling if land (currently behind the fence on the south side of Therapia Lane) is used. A design to suit everyone is required].
    • Shared path between Culvers Avenue and Buckhurst Avenue not signed good well enough to show it is a shared path. [Response and actionLG Still need to visit Culvers Avenue to look at signage.
  • [Carried forward from July 2017] CM asked for updates on the cycling strategy and the Sutton Town Centre Masterplan. [NONE PROVIDED]
  • CM LIP healthy streets from 19/20 onward. [This was a general note that it was hoped the new LIPs guidance for April 2019 onwards would be robust and ensure schemes delivered on Healthy Streets indicators].
  • CM requested Liveable Neighbourhood details. Action: LG to see if can share any info on the Sutton Liveable Neighbourhood bid
  • CQ asked for the barriers on Carlton Way Crescent to be replaced with new barriers. There is anti-social behaviour. Action: LR to look at whether barriers need improving on Carlton Way Crescent.

[CM asked what happened to funding from ‘abandoned’ schemes (such as the 2016-2017 proposed scheme for conversion of footpath on Woodmansterne Road noted at the July 2017 Cycle Forum). The answer was it was redirected towards under spent schemes. Would be good for this to be more transparent].

[LIP funding guidance – still interim for schemes going forward to TfL in October 2017 (for agreement December 2018), but full new guidance will then apply for schemes from 2018 (to be considered from January 2018, through council committee stages in spring summer 2018 with submission to TfL in October 2018, with funding agreed December 2018). Therefore, schemes delivered from April 2019 should be more robust (requiring the Healthy Streets Approach].

[Liveable Neighbourhoods: Sustrans will not be involved in Sutton with the Liveable Neighbourhoods area. As far as we understand, the area chosen for Sutton’s first Liveable Neighbourhood will be Sutton Town Centre. The work will be overseen by Opportunity Sutton. How much cycling will be part of the picture is anyone’s guess. Level of funding between £1m and 10m. CM: need to look beyond the core town centre, and cover the wider area].

[Benches being removed at Church Hill Road (as youths gathering). Not the correct way of doing things (hardly Heathy Streets ‘somewhere to sit’), more benches are required].


9: Date of next meeting

The next meeting will take place on Tuesday 9 January 2018 at 10am at Denmark Road.

Suggested agenda items:

  • LIP update – allocation
  • Quietway update
  • Sutton Town Centre Masterplan
  • Liveable Neighbourhoods update – Opportunity Sutton Town Centre
  • Cycling Strategy update

v1: 04.02.2018

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